Not long ago the Federal
government was willing to make money available to MTC to study
congestion pricing, meaning higher tolls at peak period, lesser at
non-peak periods. Yet the Legislature squelched this study by
ordering MTC to not accept the money. Was that wise?
That happened before I got to
the Legislature so I don’t understand the rationale that was
behind that decision. Maybe congestion pricing is not a good idea,
but to not think it through, to not have an open and exhausting
debate is wrong. We need to think of everything. There tends to be
a knee-jerk response with some people that any congestion pricing
or HOV lanes – the so-called "Lexus lanes" – will
hurt poor people. But the fact of the matter is that a lot of
individuals who are on these roads everyday are working people who
would not mind paying an extra dollar or two when they needed to
in order to expedite their business. I don’t believe we should
be making socio-economic judgments on behalf of people. Instead,
we should give options and let people choose.
Voters in Santa Clara just
approved a sales tax increase to, among other things, extend BART.
Despite being pulled together at the last moment the measure
garnered the necessary 2/3 majority. Do you read this as a signal
that the public is ready to make a serious commitment to public
transportation?
Yes. They’re dying down
there. The South Bay has a hopelessly bad traffic problem. The
proposed new Cisco campus would add 20,000 jobs. There’s no
place for people to live, no way to move around. I think it was an
act of desperation. I’m not quite sure that it is going to be
the solution that everyone thinks it will be. There are many
problems associated with the plan. But moving in that direction is
something that I applaud. BART is something that has worked but
the problem is that we are going to soon see BART max out its
capacity. It’s a finite system; you can only run so many trains
so closely together. People don’t realize how close it is to
being maxed out. What I hope the people in the South Bay begin to
accept and work on is that just because they don’t see a ferry
system having immediate viability for San Jose or Milpitas, it is
not say that it doesn’t have a role within the context of an
overall transportation plan. If we could ever coordinate the
system so that BART, and all our bus systems worked in concert
with the ferry system, then 4we’d have everything going
everywhere serving everyone.
Why not gas taxes instead of
sales taxes to pay for public transportation? Sales taxes are
regressive, meaning poor people pay disproportionately, and they
do nothing to discourage automobile use, something gas taxes would
do.
Well, the public has spoken.
Somewhere along the line the public decided that they would rather
pay for public transportation with a sales tax, which people feel
is more broadly distributed, than a gas tax, which they know they’re
going to pay at the pump. It’s kind of hard for me to argue with
the people that hire Don Perata. Any tax fixed to what people feel
is their entitlement –and people think gas is an
entitlement – simply isn’t going to work. Now, I think
it is more rational to tax gas, just like raising parking fees are
a good way to discourage people from driving into San Francisco.
But people aren’t prepared to do it. My own belief is that if we
could make a better case for getting people out of their cars –
via a better ferry system or other public transportation options
– then you’d have a better chance at getting the public to
agree to things like increased gas taxes. But we haven’t done
that yet. The public transportation system is so fragmented. It’s
based on sovereignty, not convenience. Every agency and city
considers itself sovereign unto itself. The hard political
negotiations to make a sensible system simply haven’t happened
yet.
Voters recently approved the
first significant relaxation of the Prop 13 requirement of a 2/3
vote for all special taxes by allowing a 55% vote to pass special
taxes to support schools bonds. Might we expect an initiative to
allow a 55% vote to pass transportation bonds and would you
support such an initiative?
I think if we had a coherent
argument for making that case we might. The school bonds case was
pretty obvious to people. They can see the school age population
has increased while the stock of school buildings has
deteriorated. It was therefore possible to make the case that we
should lower the barrier to making the needed investments in
schools. In the case of transportation, it’s too Balkanized. For
example, how do I get ferry advocates to understand the importance
of the ACE train coming from the Central Valley into the South
Bay? The way we do it is to integrate the system. We’re many
steps away from that. I’d support it now and forever just to
advance the idea because I think it makes sense. But the real
problem is making the case for the public. And to do that we need
to rationalize the system. And second, we need to assure people
every dollar spent is going to be put to the very best use. Right
now we have no way of rating transportation expenditures. We don’t
know if a dollar put in to open up a new bore to the Caldecott is
better spent than a dollar adding more ferries to Marin. We just
don’t know that. And until we do, people won’t allow their
taxes to be raised.
Regarding the issue of adding a
runway to San Francisco Airport and the controversy surrounding
the proposal to fill in the Bay to do it, many people feel a more
sensible way to evaluate the proposal would be in the context of a
regional view. Why not a regional port authority that would
encompass the two airports and perhaps even the two seaports?
Well, I favor that and have
done for years. I believe that the Port of Oakland should be part
of a regional authority. Many of the smaller ports would do better
as part of an efficient regional system. I’ll probably advance
that in the next term of the Legislature.
The airport issue is
contentious because Oakland, San Jose and San Francisco view
themselves as competitors. There are certain kinds of air traffic
that are more profitable than others. If it’s going to be air
cargo that makes a lot of money then San Francisco is not going to
be willing to let go of its international air cargo business.
Oakland has now almost 11 million passengers going through its
airport. It’s doubled in the last eight years. I understand that’s
really profitable but that the real profit is in parking. Once
again, the congestion issue comes up. The way to look at the issue
is a comprehensive study and I can’t figure out how to get the
jurisdictions to agree to have such a study.
A factor that keeps us from
dealing wisely with this, and many other issues is legislative
term limits. They don’t allow for a champion to get behind a big
issue like this. I have one more term. Tom Torlakson and I have
spent a lot of time on transportation issues because we came from
County Supervisor environments where it was the biggest economic
issue around for us. But when you set out on what amounts to a six
year career in the Assembly you’re not going to get very far
with issues like this because the problems are so big and long
term. Politicians need to hang something on the rack –
"Look what I’ve done" – to get to the next office.
Term limits are our own worst enemy. Almost every transportation
issue I see – and the ferry plan is a perfect example – has to
be solved at least regionally and in many cases at the state
level. And the paradox is these problems come when we have a
poorly prepared Legislature because of term limits. Unless we
solve that riddle we’re just two guys talking and nothing
serious is going to be accomplished in the transportation area.